Sorry for calling anyone a crybaby, Though a member since 2013 I still only have my original DS708 that expired almost a year ago. I was very interested at first in a MS908 P but reading about all the lost functions on software updates, limited success using it's J2534 device for programming and significantly higher updating costs, but now I have Cold Feet now to sell my DS708 to purchase the better faster platform and then to loose some OE functions adding some new car model coverage. Ede was very frustrated and vocal about lost functions , thought he mentioned he had 11 MaxiSys in the shop or general area , figured maybe one of the earlier ones sold , the updates expired before the factory logos were removed and subsequent alleged downgrading of software occurred. I Just figured with all the complaints on hear I could find something referrred and posted on You Tube to prove there has been some downgrading of OE functions by showing the older software can do something on a car that the new software can't on the same car.