At last, with latest update for landrove v4.00 and help from technical support the key programing finaly worked, it however got stuck in a software loop reporting (unknown problem programing faild) but some how it did manage to re program the spare key and program a new key as well, so now we have 3 fully working key fobs. Thanks to technical support looking in to my compaint and analysing my data log. Thanks again tec support. RESULT